Stance Challenge

"MtrRider Just Wants Doritos" (MtrRider) 11/22/2013 at 08:00 • Filed to: None

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Stance gets a lot of hate around here, so in order to broaden our horizons a bit I came up with a challenge. Find a Stance car you think looks good. All forms and styles of car enthusiasts should feel welcome here. Stance fans, make your argument for the style and tell me why you like it. Stance haters, look and listen and see if you can come to an understanding.

njp1589 > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:03

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This isn't bad...

madpehs > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:04

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Z love

xx45xx > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:04

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any "stance" in a car should be a result of having a race-ready chassis and competition level design, not purposefully limiting the suspension travel of the car to impress people.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:13

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I tried, but nope, nothing, nada, zip, zilch.

lt5zr180 > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:16

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No, stanced is stupid

sschwing > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:17

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Does it look good? No, not especially. Why is it a winner? Because it's done for a purpose.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:18

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I generally hate stance. But there is the occasion that is is done properly. Like this.

Read more here

http://www.canibeat.com/2013/03/oldsch…

i am kllot duh!! > njp1589 11/22/2013 at 08:19

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too low,ruin the handling,tarmac scrapper..pffffff..

Salmanorguk > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:19

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I think this looks good

Shane Elliott > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:19

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When you say stance, do you mean lowered or slammed?

Hshsjsjshsksjsk > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:19

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anonsagainstanonymous > njp1589 11/22/2013 at 08:19

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That is awesome.

jsmizira > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:20

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Singers always had nice stance.

njp1589 > i am kllot duh!! 11/22/2013 at 08:20

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Maybe so, but I think it looks okay. Which is kind of the point I guess...

Hshsjsjshsksjsk > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:20

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PRBot II > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:20

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The MCM budget street cred Golf is the only stanced car I've ever liked.

Masterofgoingfaster > Salmanorguk 11/22/2013 at 08:21

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Not saying good or bad but it sort of looks like when they change the wheels on a 1/18 model to try and modify it and end up being too big.

spin cycle > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:21

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I can deal with lowering, it's just the camber changes that I can't stand.

Senex > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:21

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Can't find a GIF of one in a wrecking yard crusher

Joel Eriksson > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:21

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I like most normal sized trucks with squareish arches

bpromersberger > madpehs 11/22/2013 at 08:22

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You win.

sammyjay > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:22

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/amidoingthisright?

Joel Eriksson > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:22

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I like most normal sized trucks with squareish arches (not a real car it's a photoshop that i made)

jsmizira > jsmizira 11/22/2013 at 08:22

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this maybe more aggressive... maybe

Vlan1 > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:23

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this one looks nifty

SnoGam > Shane Elliott 11/22/2013 at 08:23

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Assuming chamber adjustments as well.

thefuddster2 > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:23

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Why do real enthusiasts have to "come to an understanding" with this garbage?

Vlan1 > madpehs 11/22/2013 at 08:24

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This should be the new be all end all answer for everything.

Not Miata.

Z-Car!

Masterofgoingfaster > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:25

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If we're talking functional stance then pretty much all touring cars

If you're talking show and looks mainly then you gotta go with something bagged, preferrably a big 4 door

I generally don't like big chorme wheels but that just looks straight up cool.

area man > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:25

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It depends on how we're defining stance. If you're referring to cars being lowered an excessive amount, I'd never do it myself, but I think it can be tastefully done depending on what kind of car is involved and what other modifications have been made.

If you're talking about giving the wheels a negative camber, I will never, ever understand that. It makes me physically uncomfortable to look at and ruins the car in a way that simply lowering (even by a lot) does not.

DJSadWorldWide > Shane Elliott 11/22/2013 at 08:25

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Stance is more worried fitting the widest wheels and tires possible and getting the proper offset so that the lip of the wheel lines up with or extends just past the fender (flush). The place where the stance crowd faces the most criticism is when they start rolling fenders, stretching tires and running too much negative camber to make too wide a wheel fit. Basically trading function for form.

UserNotFound > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:26

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Well, I don't hate this:

t_s > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:27

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The S2000 in the original post looks quite tasty, but it's not been taken to a stupid extreme. Having said that I can't envision ever doing that to mine, I have underground parking and would scrape the damn thing all over the place and without a whole lot of setup time I think that will probably handle like a bag of spanners.

backRoads > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:27

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Can someone define "stanced" please? Does it only apply to cars that are low/slammed? Or would any vehicle with a modified suspension count?

If the latter, I present a JK-framed AEV Brute Wrangler TJ on Portals.

If this can be considered "stanced", it's a great one. It doesn't focus on 'moar higher', it focuses on getting the largest amount of ground clearance with the least amount of lift. A fender lift and rear wheel well trimming help fit bigger tires, and careful attention to control arm mounting, a space-saving transfer case cross member, the portal axles, and custom differentials all tuck in nicely close to the tub bottom. The steering and other suspension geometry concerns are correctly addressed to yield safe and effective off road performance and minimize the changes to the road manners.

Even if lifted Jeeps don't count as "stanced", the careful thought that this guy put into how each decision he made affects the overall physics of his vehicle should be put into the slammed guys rides.

McChiken116 - Patrick H. > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:28

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These look pretty good ....;)

Masterofgoingfaster > Senex 11/22/2013 at 08:29

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Everyone knows if you're serious about stance you got to get your car "crushed and stacked", forget about stretch and poke.

nightman > madpehs 11/22/2013 at 08:29

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Use this in my wallpaper collection, def my favorite z!!

zachmaster426 > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:30

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Stance always looks stupid. Slammed can look good. Tucked tires can look good. Rolled fenders can even look good. But add excessive camber and stretched tires and you have the most retarded and non functional thing you can do to a car.

anonsagainstanonymous > i am kllot duh!! 11/22/2013 at 08:31

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too low,ruin the handling,tarmac scrapper..pffffff..

As long as that car is properly set up, it's no more dumb or broken than a Morgan 3-wheeler.

Eggshen2012 > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:32

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Because there is way to much clearance between tires and fenders on stock Mustangs...

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > PRBot II 11/22/2013 at 08:32

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I liked it so much I did something similar only with a useable ride height, stock camber settings, and a professional alignment of my drop-in coil overs. Also stock wheel/tire width and diameter. No need to roll the fender.

DJSadWorldWide > McChiken116 - Patrick H. 11/22/2013 at 08:32

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No fenders for my buddy who knows a lot about Hondas to roll with newspaper. Therefor not hellaflush.

Tom McParland > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:33

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I rather enjoy a tastefully stanced NSX

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Salmanorguk 11/22/2013 at 08:33

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Not stanced, there is a gap between that front splitter and the ground.

DSC Off > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:33

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I don't like stance not because it looks ugly (this S2000 does kinda look cool, tho), but how nonfunctional it is (and looks). What's the point of a $3k set of forged wheels if the car can't deal with a curb ? Let alone the karusell...

Somehow, it's somewhat the opposite of a Caterham. I love the way it looks because every detail is oriented towards lightness and handling. An R500 is objectively pretty ugly, but I just love its purposeful looks.

johnr240z > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:34

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Mmm...

rUDy Flyer 41 > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:35

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Accidental Stance is always fun.

Teryn_Mant > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:35

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Now I dunno about you fellas but this shit is cash.

rUDy Flyer 41 > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:35

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Accidental Stance is always fun.

shenanigans1234 > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:35

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not my thing but 8th civics look awesome stanced

662CHP > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:35

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This Vette is the Shizz-nitt...

Vlan1 > johnr240z 11/22/2013 at 08:38

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This car looks fantastic.......

Except for the tranny cooler hanging out the front. Looks half assed.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:39

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Looks good/makes sense

Vlan1 > rUDy Flyer 41 11/22/2013 at 08:40

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That definitely looks like he broke something.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:41

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I see a lot of comments where people are asking why they should bother to try and like "stanced" cars. Have you considered that car enthusiasts can like many different things? This website seems to be getting very narrow minded in what they like and all others should simply be tossed aside because it does not meet the group's approval.

Yes, some of these stanced cars are ridiculously stupid and a hackjob was done to get them that way. Have you considered that the people in that community might also find it stupid/bad? Maybe if you learn that others can be enthusiasts in other car circles, it might improve the car scene as a whole. Instead of just saying "Why bother stancing your car, it's dumb!" you could instead give actual advice as to how to do it without completely wrecking the car. Airbags are popular right now for a very good reason - you don't run the risk of permanently damaging the car while in motion. Flip a switch and you get some ground clearance and suspension. Flip it back to "stance" it when parked. Clearly some of these builders don't have their heads up their ass.

Kanaric > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:42

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impossible, also I can't type the word stance without getting a bit more mad

Kanaric > PRBot II 11/22/2013 at 08:43

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that looks mexican'd not stanced

GoatsDynasty > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:43

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In the VW world my GTI might as well be a jacked up bro truck. I'm lowered but not enough for most people. I will never give up function for fashion.

iamxpl > johnr240z 11/22/2013 at 08:43

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thats perfectly acceptable! one of my favorite cars of all time!

Kanaric > Tom McParland 11/22/2013 at 08:43

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rule of thumb is if it's tasteful it's not stanced.

POD > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:44

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One of the very few that I don't mind.

Darthtoad > Salmanorguk 11/22/2013 at 08:45

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That's a mighty good looking setup.

2_meke > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:46

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There are many reasons to like or not like 'stance' but to really talk about it we need to take a step back.

Lowering a car past the point of performance enhancing is not new. Hot rodders have been doing it for the better part of half a century. Z-ing the frame on a 32 Ford. It started as part of making them fast and soon went way past. A lead sleds made from a '50 Merc, not in any way fast or practical.

Just because it's being done on newer cars does not make it a new trend.

James > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 11/22/2013 at 08:46

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Only because it's sitting on what looks to be 20s and they wouldn't tuck up into the wheel wells much further.

GTRZILLAR32-Now saving for Godzilla and a condo > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:48

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I'm generally a fan of stanced cars that do not have ridiculous amounts of camber and look somewhat functional.

iamxpl > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:48

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Thats how an S2000 should be "stanced". lol well im bias to autocross. because there's a reason for it to be that low. not my car by the way and not the class i compete in.

KnowsAboutCars > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:48

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I like pretty much everything except for cars that have easily noticeable difference between front and rear camber or have their wheels halfway sunken in the fenders.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > James 11/22/2013 at 08:48

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Well I'm a porsche fan so 10/10 would drive even if it is "stanced"

James > UserNotFound 11/22/2013 at 08:48

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While it does look nice, that's not stanced. About 2-3" of gap above the front tire and plenty of ground clearance for a track purposed car.

sschwing > rUDy Flyer 41 11/22/2013 at 08:49

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Am I doing this right?

Scaggnetti > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:49

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I don't hate this, and the car is still functional.

megalomaniac > johnr240z 11/22/2013 at 08:50

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For some reason if it was in full race livery this car would adorn my dreams.

James > Tom McParland 11/22/2013 at 08:50

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That does look pretty nice. But if I could ever own one, I would never be able to bring myself to do that to it. I would want to track it way too much for that.

sschwing > Joel Eriksson 11/22/2013 at 08:50

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"I made this."

clix > johnr240z 11/22/2013 at 08:50

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O yeah that is nice, and since its a classic you dont really want to race it anyway.

Brian Stieh > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:50

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Japanese Market Odyssey

sschwing > Teryn_Mant 11/22/2013 at 08:51

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This made me laugh. Thanks

MyNameIsZizou > jsmizira 11/22/2013 at 08:51

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Totally agree. This was this first car that came to mind... And not just because I see this image EVERY SINGLE TIME I visit Jalopnik. Its balance is perfect. Its wheels are sublime. And its proportions... GOOD GOD ITS PROPORTIONS!!! What's stance?

Incognigro > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:52

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DAT WHEELS WELLS THOUGH!!!! I've shown this particular image to many people, and you know how many hated it....none people hated it

toyotasupraman > anonsagainstanonymous 11/22/2013 at 08:52

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To be fair, Super GT cars like that don't have to face real roads, with potholes, speedbumps, steep driveways...

Biased Plies > POD 11/22/2013 at 08:52

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YES! I fucking love properly stanced classic mini trucks.

Collin Maley > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:53

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Zonda anyone?

Rockchops > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:53

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Seems to be a very broad interpretation of stanced on here. But am I doing it right guys? Oh wait you said a car that looked GOOD.

embiggened-mini > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:54

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This specific RWB Porsche is one of the very, very few that I think looks good this low.

comeandgo > Eggshen2012 11/22/2013 at 08:54

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I love this Mustang!

davedave1111 > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:54

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I don't hate stanced cars. I just hate lowered cars which are done wrong. As stock, the wheelarches are concentric to the wheels. If you're going to lower a car, you need to make radical metalwork changes to make the wheel-arches fit the new wheel location. Otherwise you end up with this hideousness:

Struts MacPherson > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:55

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Can we please just agree to take the whole stance thing in another direction?

Pixel > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:55

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I am not a fan of stanced cars, and honestly do not understand the desire to have your car so low that a ridge in the road can rip your oil pan off.

But I can't hate them the way so many other seem to for the simple reason that they have decided on the aesthetic they wanted, have worked damn hard to get it, and are willing to live with the reduction in functionality that it has given them.

I can't hate that for the same reason I can't hate this:

or this:

or this:

or this:

GatorE46M3 > Teryn_Mant 11/22/2013 at 08:55

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Since driveability and stance are inversely proportional, you have shown the best stanced jeep I have ever seen. Bravo.

hodor > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:55

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Love:

2 Wheels awesome! > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:55

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one belly dragging EM Corvair rat for your viewing pleasure.

jsmizira > MyNameIsZizou 11/22/2013 at 08:58

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i was under the impression lowered + camber= stance in which case all real race cars (NASCAR included... yeah take that jdm!) are stanced.

The wrench > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 08:58

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So the reason I like this is because it's accuair which makes it practical and also looks bad ass. I don't like impractical stuff.

Jack O'Brien > UserNotFound 11/22/2013 at 09:00

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What car is that? It looks like sex
On a side note, stanched beetle

davedave1111 > POD 11/22/2013 at 09:01

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More evidence for my contention that the problem isn't stance, so much as that 99.999% of stanced cars are shoddy bodge-jobs. When it's done right, it looks fine.

wagnerrp > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 09:01

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Stickers, big exhausts, and glass packs are derided by the general community because they are meant to make a car look or sound like a race car, but are entirely cosmetic. They're all bark and no bite, as opposed to the much envied "sleeper car", which is all bite and no bark. Stance is just a more drastic showing of the same concept. Lowering the suspension and messing with camber is supposed to convey the image of a high performance vehicle, but will almost invariably result in compromised handling and an unsafe vehicle.

Accessing the internet through my phone means my laptop gets the shitty mobile editor...

CAPTAINpotato > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 09:01

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When I look at a car, I much prefer function over form. I would drive an Aztek if it was the lap record holder around VIR. Having said that I think that stanced cars are the opposite. It is all form over function but the form they are mimicking is the of race cars. Being super low to the ground and gobs of camber is like a caricature of a race car. Having said that, I am fine with stanced cars, I would prefer a fast car because I like speed but I can't hate someone's steez, some of them look pretty cool. Pic attached because stanced wagon.

Also stanced G37 vs Fast G37

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POD > davedave1111 11/22/2013 at 09:02

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For me it's the severe camber that makes Stance look silly. This truck doesn't have that, so I'm fine with it. It's also a truck, which, for whatever reason, doesn't bother me as much.

davedave1111 > area man 11/22/2013 at 09:02

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I'm starting to think that the difference between a lowered car and a stanced one is that the latter has been deliberately made to look awful in the process, as some kind of hipsterish statement.

Biased Plies > MtrRider Just Wants Doritos 11/22/2013 at 09:03

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I like a good number of Stanced cars. I have two conditions though (they're subjective, deal with it):

1. Moderation is key. If it doesn't go too far it's cool with me. These two wagons qualify:

2. I can sometimes forego #1 if the car had no performance aspirations anyway. These Mercedes are some of my all time favourite stanced cars:

And for a quick definition on how to do it wrong, just look at this Civic:

Ridiculous camber, ridiculous stretch. Never go full retard.